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Jacob Theories

  • This episode was on touching (Jacob touching Jack, Kate, etc.) because through touching, Jacob was able to synchronize Jack, Hurley, Kate and Sawyer to his time, i.e., flashbacks/forwards are not actually flashes, but the next series of events in this synchronized time-frame. (Juliet was not touched, so she is the variable, eventually leading her to detonating the bomb and changing this time-frame.)
    • The Losties Jacob touched are still alive. Jacob had the power to make Richard immortal; his touch granted immortality to those Losties. The exception is Locke, but that gift was stolen from him by Jacob's nemesis.
    • After Jacob has been stabbed by Ben, he touches and clings onto Ben for a remarkably long time. In doing so, Jacob's spirit enters Ben's body and thus lives on.
    • What? He got stabbed and fell over onto Ben. Did Jacob's spirit also enter the fire when he was pushed in? That's a real stretch.
  • Jacob and his nemesis spoke in flawless modern American English. No accents, no over-enunciation or use of antiquated terminology, nothing to remotely suggest they were so much as a "hundred" years old, let alone several thousands of years. They are not from the past, but the future.
    • How could they be from the future if the Black Rock vessel was just arriving on the island?
      • There is no evidence to support the theory that the boat approaching the island is the Black Rock.
      • Yes, but it is surely in the past because the Man in Black (Jacob's nemesis) talks about finding the loophole, which he finally does in The Incident.
    • The theory is that they are timeless beings. While they may have been sitting there on a beach in the 1800s, they themselves may not be from that time.
    • Jacob has the gift of tongues. Everyone hears him fluently speaking his or her own language.
    • After thousands of years, Jacob could've learned new languages and adapted to whom he was talking, and his accent would've changed with the speech patterns of when/where he was.
  • Jacob or his nemesis are behind the visions seen by several of the characters; Jacob's nemesis may in fact be behind all of the visions seen, as Jacob's MO is to have people, not visions, do his work.

People brought to the Island

  • Jacob brought the ancient Egyptians to the Island before bringing the people in the ship (possibly the Black Rock). What Jacob refers to as progress is human progress: the Egyptians brought some techniques, their architecture and art, their writing and so on. The people in the Black Rock will bring new things, such as gunpowder. That is what Jacob means when he says that, in the meantime, there is progress.
  • It is likely that the Island benefits from exterior human progress through its history, trying to preserve every good it can take from it, battling white against black to take the best from it and evolve.
  • Since people are not supposed to be able to find the island, other people who have come to the island may have been brought by Jacob, as well: for instance, the DHARMA Initiative.
    • Does this include the US Army and the Jughead bomb? They were at odds with the Others - would Jacob bring outsiders to oppose the Others (his followers)?
  • Even without having knowledge of this particular island, numerous energy spots can be measured in the world. That's why they (DI) built The Lamp Post (Station #00/01).
    • Eloise Hawking states that a "very clever fellow" built the pendulum that allowed the Dharma Initiative to locate the island. As that man is still unnamed, it could have been Jacob.
    • It also could have been Jacob's nemesis.
      • The island is not impossible to find, it is difficult because it moves constantly, in time and/or space, but the US Aermy has also found it and nearly destroyed it. Also, there was Rousseau's group, and they came upon it regardless of Jacob.
  • The DHARMA Initiative is an example of human progress insofar as they want to change and save the world. They were brought by Jacob in an attempt to prove to his nemesis that he is wrong about people.(However, Ben speaks of Jacob's disapproval of technology, AKA human scientific progress, like the DHARMA Initiative.)
    • Actually, it is implied that the "Saving the World" agenda is nothing but a clever way to hide their true intentions, such as harvesting the island's unique properties to manipulate time.
  • One thing that has been made clear about Jacob is that he's looking for a very specific group of people to come to the Island. It seems as if he has good intentions, as he discusses the people on the ship (possibly the Black Rock) as "progress," even though his nemesis is insistent about how Jacob is "wrong." Jacob seems to have finally found his perfect group in the Losties (that is, Jack and the remaining group), which explains why he has spent years making sure they get to the Island, because he knows of their importance. When he says with his dying words that "they're coming," he is more than likely referring to Jack and company coming back to the present; he knows they can and will finally set things right in this "good vs. evil" feud that's been going for countless years between Jacob and his nemesis.
  • When Jacob touched each of the Oceanic 6 (and Jin), he passed on a part of his "spirit" or "essence" and it is this that has protected and made each one of them "special." In Season 6 we will see that the return of each of them will lead to the reunification and resurrection of Jacob from his spirit that they carry.


Jacob's enemy orchestrated the Time Flashes to manipulate John Locke

At first, the time periods visited seemed random. This is because we were learning about them primarily through the eyes of several different survivors. However, when focusing on John Locke's experiences only, and using current insight regarding the events of the Season 5 finale, a pattern begins to develop: John Locke's experiences during his time-traveling better serve to enhance his faith and his connection to the Island, and these experiences were a direct result of the manipulation of time traveling by an outside force; conceivably and specifically, Jacob's enemy. Let's look at John Locke's final moments on the Island:

  • "Because You Left"
    • The Beechcraft First time jump; 1990's-ish. A crucial moment in John Locke's history with the island was the discovery of this airplane and the events that transpired. Look it up. It was a huge impact on John to experience this crash firsthand. This would likely influence his faith that the Island is guiding him somehow. Then he is shot in the leg and left for dead. Until...
      • Meeting with Richard and guess who else? Jacob's enemy in John's body, and Ben listening in the distance. Jacob's enemy manipulated Richard to go over there. The words that Richard used to persuade John were the words of Jacob's enemy. He was manipulating all of them. John's mission is to leave the island, retrieve the Oceanic 6 and Ben and bring them to the island for some unknown purpose. This is also where we learn that John might have to die to accomplish this. So the flaw in logic is that the man impersonating John Locke after the return to the Island on Ajira 316 would have to know that John would die, and that the success of this plan would somehow lead to the events of "The Incident" for all parties involved. He would have to know the future. However, conceivably an enemy that had the ability to time travel might know a thing or two about the future or the past.
        • At the time that the impostor tells Richard to tell Locke that he will have to die, that death has already happened, about a week previously, and it is likely only because of this death that this man can impersonate Locke on the island. So there is no future knowledge necessary at this point for the impostor, only recent past knowledge of which he has direct experience.
          • Yeah, but there had to be a plan in place. I doubt that this guy just woke up as John Locke and was surprised.
  • "The Lie" and "Jughead"
    • The Flaming Arrows. During "The Lie," the survivors, not including John Locke, are attacked in their camp by a mysterious group or archers. After they escape, they reunite with John, after he saves them from a group of people in U.S. Army fatigues. We learn in "Jughead" that these individuals were a group of people living on the island including Charles Widmore, Eloise Hawking, and...
      • Meeting with Richard, part 2. Part 1, technically. John makes his way into camp and meets with a version of Richard who is meeting John Locke for the first time. We know that John has a history with Richard. We know that Richard visited him in the hospital the day he is born, and that it was this future/past John that suggested he do that. Richard visited him as a boy, and was always telling John how special he was on the Island. Richard has a ton of faith in John. I think that this is the direct result of this experience. My belief is that the individual who is causing the time travel is using this particular experience to manipulate Richard Alpert. He will listen to whatever John Locke says to him. John always speaks the truth, and Richard recognizes this through all of his experiences with John over the years. So when Jacob's enemy comes to town in John's body, no matter how outrageous his demands, Richard will always obey.
      • Richard is one of the few Others to express skepticism of the new Locke (Saying "he could be trouble" to Ben.) Jacob's enemy really only needs Richard's inaction, not his blind allegiance.
  • "The Little Prince"
    • The Hatch, dude. The Hatch! After another time switch, John Locke and his people are taken to a night that happened a few months prior during Season 1 of the show. The events of that night at the hatch, where John sees the light from the underground facility is one of the most important moments from John Locke's life: the moment his faith is solidified. John is calling out to God, and God answers. Of course, it's not God. It's Desmond. But that doesn't matter. For the character of John Locke, this seals the deal. He has total faith in the Island. Whatever happens, John is going to go full force. Now he knows what he has to do. He is going to follow the path set out for him by Jacob's enemy without question. He thinks he is doing what is best for the Island, for his friends, and for himself and his devotion, but he's not. We know now that it was a manipulation, and I believe that John had to come to this decision by no other means. The enemy knew that John would have to experience a string of miracles, as he always does, before he would be convinced to do his bidding.
  • You seem to be forgetting that John lost his faith in the island after the light in the hatch. Don't you remember when he found the Pearl station and decided the button protocol was phony? A critical part of John's character is the fact that he loses and regains his faith constantly because he is weak, angry, and easily manipulated.
    • Absolutely, John Locke is the unsteady person within the entire group, and depending only on his sense of faith would be the greatest risk possible. Mr. Eko was the one person among them all whose faith was unshakable. He would have done anything if asked by the vision of his brother. However, he was killed while John Locke took over and I believe the reason for that is the key to understanding the loophole and John's true role in these events. He is, as he believes, the most important of them all, just not in the sense he saw it, but as a pawn on someone else's story.
      • Back to the Future The survivors travel through time again. Probably to now. It is a time after Ajira 316 has crashed on the island. They are pursued by unknown assailants. They travel again, out of harm's way. It's 1988 and Danielle and her team of Scientists are living on the island. There are a series of jumps through time before John finally makes it to the Orchid Station to complete his task of leaving the Island. These time jumps do appear to be more random in nature, but the rapid pace with which they occur begin to take their toll on the individuals involved. Charlotte, Miles, and Juliet could be dying. People everywhere are lost and alone. John is the only one who can stop the turmoil. While the current events of the time periods visited may not have any direct impact on the storyline of John Locke, the well-being of everyone on the Island is his priority as leader. They arrive at a modern version of the Orchid Station, before quickly being transported to an earlier time where they find a well that John Locke enters. While John is going down the well, the group is taken to a time before a well even existed. The result of this is John ending up at the bottom of the well with a broken leg. Very similar to what happened during "Because You Left," John is injured (in the leg), and meets with an eerie individual who instructs him further on his path. This time it is Christian Shepard. We don't fully understand yet who Christian is working for, or the how or why. He has stated in the past to John that he represents Jacob and his desires. We don't know what's going on with that. But he has the information that John needs to return to the island after he has fulfilled his mission. He also tells him how to leave. John leaves with the assistance of a big wheel.
  • "The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham"
    • John travels to the modern day in our dimension to reunite the Oceanic 6 and return them to the Island. John is a failure in his mission and is filled with self-doubt. He discovers that maybe Richard was right. We know what happens after that. John dies. This new guy takes over John's identity. For what greater purpose, we cannot know, yet. Part of that plan involves manipulating Benjamin Linus to kill Jacob, with some assistance from Richard Alpert. Things have been set in motion for some time, but at least beginning with the time traveling.

Jacob's Nemesis Has Been Manipulating The Survivors

  • Jacob's nemesis had Richard tell Real Locke to get the survivors back to the island, and that he would die. Richard and Locke were both fooled into believing this came from a reliable source (each other), when the advice was actually coming from Jacob's nemesis.
  • The "shape shifting" nemesis of Jacob was the fake Yemi that Eko talked to before being killed. Eko was the original attempt at finding a loophole. When Eko did not perform as expected, he was killed.
    • When Eko died he said to Locke "You're next." Eko meant that Locke specifically is the next target for manipulation, rather than referring to plural "you all" being next.
  • Jacob's nemesis is responsible for all of this; he has taken the form of every dead person on the island to manipulate the people he needed to create his loophole. It is pretty clear that Locke or the others did not need to go back to the Island because everyone was fine living in 1977. It was their return that ruined everything. Locke accomplished his task of saving everyone when he left the Island. That was his job and he should have been finished. But in order for Jacob's nemesis to create his loophole, he needed Locke to die so he could take over his form. What is amazing is that this man was able to manipulate Ben, who is a master manipulator himself, to finish the job and that Richard was completely unaware of everything that was happening. This plan has been in the making for decades and if you look closely, every little step and everything that has happened thus far has been moving towards his plan to "kill" Jacob.
  • The Nemesis was able to manipulate Ben because the only "instructions from Jacob" that Ben received--besides those delivered by Richard--were passed on to him by a vision of Christian Shepherd. Christian is dead, and the Monster/Nemesis takes on the form of dead people, ergo Ben was receiving instructions from the Nemesis instead of Jacob.
  • Additionally, during the events of "Whatever Happened, Happened," Ben was taken to the Temple to be healed. Later we discovered that the Temple was where the Monster resided. The conclusion is that the Nemesis was able to begin manipulating Ben at that young age.
  • In Episode 5 of season 1, it was a vision of Christian Shepherd--a dead man--who led Jack to the caves and their water supply, allowing the Losties to survive on the Island (they were running out of water at the time). Since visions of dead people are actually the Monster, and we're concluding that the Monster is the same being as the Nemesis, then this shows a manipulation of the Oceanic 815 survivors from their first days on the Island, but to their benefit rather than their detriment.
  • Additionally, if it were Jacob's Nemesis' plan ALL ALONG to use one of these survivors to help him kill Jacob, then Nemesis would have to make sure that they survived. If Nemesis only goal was to kill Jacob, then he certainly wouldn't mind doing some bit of good along the way to accomplish that goal.

Whatever Happened, Happened

  • There is no changing the future. Jack dropping the bomb into the Swan, and Juliet detonating it always happened. As Miles said, that event WAS the Incident. There has never been a possibility of changing the future. Daniel was wrong. All chain of events are now set in motion, as of The Incident.
  • Jacob's comment "they're coming" was in reference to those he visited in the past, aka the ones in 1977. He means that they didn't change the past, and will somehow return to the present to stop him.
  • If they made it so the Incident never happened, they would have never landed on the island. However, if they never landed on the island, the chain of events that sent them to the past to stop the Incident never happened and thus the Incident happens. However, if the incident happens, then they are on the island, and the incident is stopped, and so on and so forth. That is simply not possible or if possible, makes absolutely crazy gaps in the time line. This is why, what happens, happens. Miles was right, the bomb is the Incident.
  • There is no reason to think that anything we have seen happen hadn't happened already. The Losties have always been there in 1977, Ellie always helped them get the bomb, the pocket of energy was always drilled into and the bomb was always dropped in, and Juliet always detonated it. Faraday always had his theories and always intended to do what wound up happening...and Ellie always read his notebook. n fact, in 1977, Faraday always claimed that they were the variables and were able to change the future. Nothing that has been attempted has been effective in changing the future. We need to think of ourselves as seeing a flashback when we see the events of 1977...that is all it is. We are seeing past events as they actually happened. We're seeing the present of all of the main characters but the past of the island...keeping this in mind is crucial. Maybe the Losties flash forward, maybe they don't. Assuming that the bomb would act normal on the island when nothing else seems to follow the natural order of things is kind of foolish. There are no safe assumptions when it comes to how things like that will actually occur.
  • What Daniel thought to be his own free will and judgment, was in fact his already fulfilled destiny. In LaFleur, we hear Daniel muttering he will never tell Charlotte what she just told him, that he himself tells Charlotte she must leave the island. At this point Daniel was a believer in "Whatever Happened, Happened," but at the same time he never wanted to tell Charlotte what he has to say. However, when he comes back in The Variable and starts to believe he can change things, he tries to change the future by telling Charlotte not to come back. He also wants to detonate the hydrogen bomb to stop a catastrophic Incident, but this is the Incident itself. Basically, Daniel had to start believing he had free will, otherwise none of the events would have happened.
  • There is no changing the future, for it would cause a paradox time loop: If the survivors undo the future by detonating the bomb, then they never come to the island and can therefore never detonate the bomb, which in turn means that they will crash and eventually detonate the bomb, which again means that they do not travel to the island and therefore cannot detonate the bomb, and so on. They'd get stuck in a Mobius loop that way.
  • Evidence from 1977 and 2007 that whatever happened, happened, and you can't change the future....
  1. After Daniel tells everyone about the bomb detonating theory, he goes with Jack and Kate to the Others' camp and Eloise shoots him. This always happens because Eloise remembers in the original timeline (when she encourages him to go to the island) that she shot him, meaning that he always went to their camp in search of the bomb as a part of the time loop.
  2. Before this, Daniel tells Chang that he has to evacuate everyone, which later on, Hurley confirms. As a result of this, Miles and Charlotte are sent into the real world which always happened as a part of the time loop as they would not be in the freighter mission.
  3. Although this is not quite clear, Richard Alpert says, in the original timeline in 2007, that he saw the Dharma Losties die, which could mean that he just met them when they went to extract the bomb and assumed they died after the blast. This, once again, could mean that Daniel coming to the camp and Jack and Sayid carrying off the bomb always happened, since Richard Alpert remembers it, but it's not all clear in his wording.
  • This seems to indicate that Daniel always came to the Island and always told the Losties about the detonation, prompting Jack to try to detonate the bomb, ultimately resulting in Daniel's death, and possibly, Richard Alpert's believing that they died.
  • More whatever happened, happened proof. Eloise Hawking's comment that if the Oceanic 6 doesn't return to the island, "then God help us all." This could be because she knows that her young 1977 self meets the Losties from 2008, and that if they don't go, the meeting wouldn't happen, causing a time paradox of unknown consequences.
  • It's a loop within a loop. Jacob's nemesis may be trying to break the loop, while Eloise and Daniel are like time detectives, constantly trying to realign time to stop Jacob's nemesis from breaking free, and hence Daniel may never die. It also ties in with the idea that it is Jacob's nemesis trying to mess about with the timeline.
  • It is true. because if Jack denotates the bomb, he will never crash in the island in Flight 815, and he is never going to be in 1977 and denotate the bomb.
  • The Bomb did not detonate. We never saw any evidence that it actually went off. Just a white flash that usually signifies a time jump. This may just have been "the Incident" actually happening, not the bomb detonating. That would leave the bomb down at the bottom of The Swan ready to be built into the fail safe for Desmond to set off.

Whatever Happened, Happened: Con

  • How about changing the past from the future? We have been told repeatedly that time doesn't flow on the island the way we think it does. Things have been changed before, in the way Faraday's visit to Desmond in the hatch somehow sent the memory of that meeting to "future" Desmond. The way I see it, every attempt of the Losties to change the past failed, most notably Sayid killing Ben, but also Jack dropping the bomb into the drilling tunnel, the bomb didn't go off because 'whatever happened, happened' and a bomb wasn't supposed to explode that day. Then Ben kills Jacob, which breaks things, and now the bomb can go off with just a little tap by Juliet. Juliet succeeded because Jacob was dead when she tried, Jack failed because Jacob was still alive when he tried. What we think is past and future, are actually two parallel timelines.
    • What you're seeing on the show is not happening at the same time. Just because a scene in the seventies is shown before a scene in the 00's doesn't mean they're consecutive, or that the future scene is influenced directly by the past scene. The show, after all, is a dramatization, just as we don't get to see what Frank sees in the box before the build up, before it would make the biggest impact on the audience and the plot. There's no "meanwhile in the Seventies," it has all already happened in the past from the 2007 perspective and vice versa.
      • As Miles pointed out, the Seventies for the Losties IS their present, which is why they can die; it's everyone else's past. This is why what is happening with the Losties in 2007 can correlate with what the Losties are doing in the Seventies, because it is simultaneously all their Present.
  • Daniel's plan worked and even avoided the paradox. By destroying the energy pocket, Jack stopped Flight 815 from crashing. Because 815 never crashed, Daniel was never sent to the island. He never went to 1954 to tell them how to bury the bomb. One day it detonated and destroyed the pocket of energy in 1954.
    • The entire detonation was Jacob's plan. He knew that his nemesis would use Locke to kill him, so he convinced Hurley and the others to return to the island to detonate the pocket of energy and prevent the crash. That way his nemesis can never use Locke to convince Ben to kill him. This is why Jacob visited, and touched, Kate, Sawyer, Jack, Locke, Sayid, and Hurley, all of whom were essential to the bomb plan. The brilliant irony is that the plan didn't work until the one person Jacob didn't touch, Juliet, intervened. She was the Variable, and acted of her own free will.
      • Juliet is the Variable. Jack always threw the bomb down, but the "first" time through history the bomb wasn't detonated. Desmond detonated the bomb at the end of season 2 (the failsafe was the bomb), which is why the Swan seemed to explode after imploding. Juliet, not having been touched by Jacob, is a variable. When she detonated the bomb, she changed everything.
        • 1. Juliet was the only character that got a flashback to herself in an otherwise Jacob-centric episode. 2. In that flashback we learn the reason for Juliet's emotional insecurity. 3. Juliet changed her mind about her participation in the upcoming events no less than thrice. While all the others had set firmly their minds, Juliet was literally a "variable" character. This supports Daniel's theory and provides the only window of opportunity to change the future since up to that moment, everything that happened - including Jack dropping the bomb in the well and it not going off - was happening in the way it "always happened" (proven by Dr. Chang losing his hand).
  • The only event that is dubious to the whatever happened, happened theory is Daniel meeting Desmond. This could be a part of the original time loop, and Desmond remembering it when he needed to could be the result of being brainscrewed by the time travel and being "special." Or, it could be indeed changing the timeline, which still wouldn't mean whatever happened, happened wasn't right, since Desmond is "special," and, as Daniel says, the rules don't apply to him. So, he's a wild-card Joker when it comes to these theories.

Course Correction

  • We have already seen that time can be changed, and "whatever happened happened" isn't a finite rule for someone like Desmond. He saw Charlie's death and changed it a number of times, but the universe will not let these changes stick, it will always fix them. The bomb went off and changed time, but everything will end up exactly how it was because the universe will try and fix it. However, 815 will not crash. 815 only crashed because Desmond wasn't there to push the button. Desmond won't be back in the hatch because he is special, and he will be the only person who will remember everything and won't be on the Island. So much like when Desmond changed Charlie, a new elaborate way for him to die is shown, 815 not crashing will cause the universe to create a new elaborate way to put the Losties back on the Island.
  • Counterpoint: "Whatever happened happened" doesn't apply to Desmond & Charlie, because Desmond was getting glimpses of the future (which can be changed), not the past (which is what WHH refers to).
    • Season 5 makes me think that the term "present" is all relative, making the future just the part of time we haven't seen yet, but doesn't necessarily make it exempt from WHH

Desmond is Not Special At All

  • Daniel is always telling Desmond he is different and exempt from the rules of time. However, it is Eloise Hawking who teaches Desmond how to handle his gift. It is also her that tells him the island is not done with him yet when he finds her in Los Angeles after leaving the island. Does she know more about Desmond's role than she's leading us to believe? She was on a picture frame on top of the monk's desk when Desmond leaves the monastery. Hasn't she been affecting his life for a much longer time than we believe? That failed endeavour is what leads Desmond to Penny and, subsequently, to Charles Widmore and the boat race around the world that will eventually lead him to the island. In that way, is Desmond really that different from the rest of them?

The Cabin

  • Ilana and Bram go the the Island to find the MiB NOT Jacob. They arrive at the cabin and the very first thing they do is draw their guns, even before they realize the ash line was broken. And they only refer to a "he," meaning the Man in Black. The cloth with Tawaret makes them realize the MiB is going to see Jacob at the statue.
  • Horace was the nemesis in Locke's dream about him building the cabin. Nemesis used Horace's body, much like Locke's, to build the cabin, and then used Horace in Locke's dream to start Locke on the path that lead him to moving the island and dying, which lead to Nemesis being able to use Locke as well.
  • Ilana and Bram saw living Locke (after the crash of Ajira 316), and also knew they had his body in the case. Going to the cabin was the initial goal before the Locke issue, and they still went to confirm suspicions: that the enemy had escaped and Jacob had gone. That is why Ilana gave Bram quite a look.

Juliet and the bomb

  • Juliet had to be the one to set off the bomb; already established that Jack could not kill himself (which is effectively what he would be doing) because he left the island. This holds for all other time-traveling Losties... except Juliet, the only one who never left the island (ever). Hugo, Miles, Jack, Kate had all left; Jin was on the freighter; Sawyer either left on the boat the first time or when jumping off the helicopter. The island needed her to set the bomb off, hence the chains that pulled her down but didn't do her in.
    • Juliet (being the doctor who was brought to the island to try to correct the pregnancy issue) prevents the Incident, which was what caused pregnancy on the Island to be deadly. Without the fertility issue, she never needs to be there, so she's not on the Island - she continues her research with her sister.
    • The Incident did not cause the deadly complications with pregnancies. This problem already existed, since it was said that pregnant women were taken by submarine to another island to give birth.
    • There is no indication that there was a problem with maternal death during the DHARMA period. A woman would be taken off the Island when they were about due, not before their second trimester. If the problem had existed, Amy would never have gotten as far along as she did.

The black LOST on white background

  • The black text on the white background signifies only one thing. Black is white and white is black. Black -- Nemesis, is white. White -- Jacob, is black. What we believed to be good and what we believed to be bad, is, in fact, the opposite.
  • While we are just now learning this, the show up until this point has been about Jacob's nemesis' manipulation of events for the purpose of finding a loophole and killing Jacob (black background). The remainder of the series will focus on the struggle of the good side (Jacob's side) to prevail (white background).
  • A bright white screen all season long has indicated a time jump. This is what it signifies now. Juliet triggers the explosion, and immediately they all jump in time.
  • The color inverting tells us that something has been changed. The white screen is not a time travel or an explosion, but it's a transfer from the usual black end cut to the new white version.
    • The word Lost on the white cut screen was not just black, but black like on a photo negative. It is meant to imply some inversion of what has gone on before is coming next season.
  • The White background signifies that this is the end of the actual timeline for the show. It is the end result of what happens in Season 6, which is probably to make sure Jacob is not killed by Ben because he is manipulated by his Nemesis.
    • The goal of Season 6 may be for Jacob (or the Others, associated with him) to make sure that the bomb does indeed get detonated by manipulating the time line. They want it to go off because the Swan isn't built, the Losties never crash, Locke never ends up on the island, and Jacob's nemesis can't manipulate him to kill him and trick Ben into killing Jacob.
    • Daniel must be involved in this process, because he is the one who initiated this with Jack.
    • A bunch of the weird stuff from Seasons 1-5 could be explained if a group were to have kept jumping back to various parts in the timeline to make sure that this happen... the Whispers, people appearing out of nowhere and disappearing, characters' knowledge of future events, etc., all could be a part of this.
    • The "war" therefore is between this team who wants to manipulate the timeline on Jacob's behalf and the Smoke Monster/Nemesis.
  • It could mean that all along for five seasons, the "dark side" has been dominant and winning, but now the good side will gain dominance and finally win. Or that all of what has happened has been left in the dark, the white background could mean that all of the secrets and missing pieces will come out in the daylight.

Why Jacob never met with Ben

  • Ben never met with Jacob because it is not a requirement that Jacob meets with every leader. Richard plays some type of consigliere role, but it also appears that he plays an intermediary between leaders and Jacob. The producers have noted a special relationship between Richard and the Others' Leader. When 70's Widmore asked Alpert about bringing young Ben to be healed, he mentions that he doesn't run on the authority of the leader. All of Jacob's lists were brought to Ben by Richard. It's possible for a leader to see Jacob, but it is not a typical occurrence.
  • While Jacob's nemesis thinks he's now in control, this is all part of Jacob's master plan. Jacob knew Ben would be the one to kill him, so he never allowed him an audience and caused him to suffer as leader of the Others.
    • Then, when Ben gives his monologue and says to Jacob, "What about me?" Jacob gives a flippant response like "What about you?" in order to provoke Ben.
      • "What about you?" was not a flippant response at all. "What about you?" is Jacob's way of telling Ben that, despite what he thinks, the island and the universe don't exist in order to make his life wonderful - it's not all about him.
      • Jacob wouldn't meet with Ben, because the way Ben "followed" Jacob was through murder and deception; Jacob is still challenging Ben to make a better choice at that moment - to choose not to follow violent orders. "What about you" was meant to be reflective - what choices have you made? What results have they created? But Ben is beyond hearing this...
      • "What about you?" was merely a response to Ben self-centeredness. Ben is complaining that he was supposed to be so important, as the Leader of the Others, yet he never got to meet with Jacob. He was offended by the fact that he wasn't treated as well as he thought he should have been. "What about me?" is the climax of these feelings in Ben, and Jacob responds "What about you?" - meaning that he needs to fix his feelings of self-centeredness by understanding that he is still only a man
      • In an official russian dub, which is being done in corrabolation with Lost creators, the "What about me? - What about you?" part of the dialogue was translated a bit differently. After Ben is done complaining to Jacob about Locke being special, Ben goes: "Why not me?" [As in why aren't I special]. Jacob, giving him a clueless and uninterested look, responds with: "Emm, and who are you?" This could furtherly imply that Ben was never a true leader of The Others, because Jacob had no idea about him.
  • Jacob would not meet with Ben because he did not choose Ben to lead. Young Ben saw his dead mom in the jungle, and it was this incident that peaked the interest of Alpert later on when young Ben met him in the woods. So the entire reason that Alpert thought Ben was special to begin with was started by Jacob's enemy, not Jacob.
  • Ben was chosen by Jacob, but Jacob was aware that Ben would eventually be used as Nemesis' loophole. He chose Ben because he was destined to make a choice of whether or not to kill Jacob, but didn't meet him face to face until it was time for him to make that choice. Remember Jacob believes in free will, and didn't want to influence Ben's decision by allowing Ben an audience before their destined meeting depicted in "The Incident, Parts 1 & 2".
  • You can't be DESTINED to make a CHOICE, that's what destiny is, the lack of free will.
  • Jacob never met with Ben but they have communicated in some other way (perhaps via The Cabin). In the episode The Man Behind the Curtain, Ben returns from the Cabin without Locke and says they are moving up their raid on the beach by one day. Richard questions this, and Ben says "Jacob wanted it done." If only Richard talked to Jacob, then this would make no sense.

Two Monsters

  • Jacob's nemesis the Monster that we have seen many times. Jacob is another smoke monster that we have not seen but only Locke has seen in "Walkabout". Locke did see a Monster in this episode as evidenced by the fact that Kate and Sawyer saw the Monster moving in Locke's direction through the jungle, as it made similar sounds and noise as the smoke monster that we have all seen. This happened after the boar stormed them while they were hunting and broke them up. This monster clearly came out of the trees/bushes and revealed itself to Locke. Due to the camera angle, we do not see exactly what Locke see's, but it was inferred to be a smoke Monster.
    • We have seen the smoke monster taking on different colors and performing different roles. The smoke monster that judged Eko was black. The smoke that surrounded and judged Ben was light gray. Also compare Locke's different reactions to the smoke monster in "Walkabout" and when he was dragged by the smoke monster to the vent in the Dark Territory towards the end of Season 1. The first time he was calm and said he saw something "beautiful" and the monster did nothing to him. The second time, when the monster was shown as black, Locke was scared and the monster tried to forcefully drag him into the vent.
    • There is only one Monster. The reason that we do not see the Monster in "Walkabout" is because the director of the episode didn't want us to see the Monster because it was only 4 episodes into the season, and they wanted to keep it as a "reveal" for later. Also, there have been instances of the Monster being "friendly" to people at one point, and hostile towards them at other times (ex: Eko sees the Monster in the woods when it seems to "scan" him and then leave. Then, Eko is later killed by the monster.) The color differences (which are not confirmed, only assumed), of black and light grey (as described above) are due to the audience's perception. Those colors are too similar to say it was a different color.(Also, when the monster is seen "judging" Ben, they are in a very dark room, so it is safe to assume that if it was a lighter gray, it was to make a BLACK smoke monster more visible in a dark room.)
    • There is only one Monster. Locke saw the Monster differently in "Walkabout" as part of the Man in Black's plot to kill Jacob. Locke, who was selected as the "loophole" years earlier (using a strict linear timeline) was given a special vision of the Monster that in his mind established a deep connection between himself and the Island. This enabled the Man in Black to continue manipulating Locke because of Locke's belief that he was special.
    • There are two Monsters, both with the same smoke forms. But that the audience did not see the monster it it's first appearance to Locke in "Walkabout" was a direction choice for the episode to keep the audience in suspense for the monster's first appearance on screen. Locke describes the Monster differently, as a bright, beautiful light, because the show creators had not completed the appearance of the monster at the time "Walkabout" was written and its description was kept vague so anything could be retconned. If the Smoke Monster appeared in a different "bright" form we do not see later that is because the Monster (whether Jacob's or the Nemesis') outwardly reacted to its first meeting with Locke who is important to the Island, Jacob's Nemesis and Jacob.
    • There are two monsters. If a monster can take the shape of any person, i think it can change it color. There is a monster that kills and a monster that does not, which explains its behavior.

Frank as a "candidate"

  • When Ilana and Bram discuss Frank as a candidate, they know that Jacob is going to die. Jacob visited Ilana and asked for her help; he needed help reviving himself. They also recognized that Locke was the same man that had reappeared and was not on the manifest, but was also in the crate. They made the connection that Locke was possessed by Jacob's nemesis, and that he was going to kill Jacob, and that they needed a body, a vessel, for Jacob's spirit to go into.
  • Frank is a candidate for the true leader of the Others. Ben has been exiled and Locke is dead so the Others are leaderless. By bringing the body of Locke to Jacob it reveals the leaderless state of the Others and the need for Jacob to pick a new leader.
  • Frank is a candidate to become part of the sect/group that follows the orders of Jacob.
  • Frank is a candidate for Jacob's possession.
  • Frank is a candidate for filling Jacob's position.
  • Frank is a candidate to be the next leader of the Others, because remember that Frank was originally supposed to be the pilot of Flight 815, and the Smoke monster (Jacob's nemesis) knew that Frank is going to replace Jacob as leader of the Others, so he want to kill the pilot, and when he notices that the pilot was not Frank, instead Seth Norris, he gets angry and kill Seth.
    • The Smoke Monster has not been determined to be the Nemesis at all.
  • Frank is a man of action. Smart, experienced, cynical, but accepts that weird stuff does happen (recall his talks with Micheal on the Katana). In some ways, like the middle-aged Widmore. So he may be a candidate for Leader of the Others (now that fake Locke is known), and not a candidate for a Jacob-vessel.

Locke wasn't The Leader

  • Locke assumed the leadership position because Ben told him so before moving the island. Ben assumed Locke was the leader because Richard had said so. Richard assumed Locke was the leader because Locke told him so in the past (and Richard was further manipulated by Jacob's nemesis). That's why Richard never detected anything special in Locke... because he really wasn't special.
  • On 1/26/10, ABC aired an enhanced rerun of The Incident. It was confirmed that Richard was "convinced" of Locke's uniqueness because of Jack's convincing words, leading to 'dire consequences'.
  • One of the rules could be that Jacob can only be killed by the leader - however the leader is also the most loyal person to Jacob and the island. Locke was never the leader, it was still Ben. By manipulating everyone into thinking that Ben is no longer leader, Jacob's nemesis manages to get past the loophole by getting Ben to become jealous of Locke and lose his faith in Jacob, so that Ben then chooses to kill Jacob.
  • Ben was pushed off of the island by Locke, who was either misinterpreting or misled by Christian. Richard assumed Locke would be the new leader, but this was because of manipulations of Locke throughout time by Jacob's nemesis. Ben was still in some official capacity 'the leader'. This is why Ben was special, and could kill Jacob.
  • The true, acting leader leaving the island by The Wheel is what causes the island to skip in time. Ben was still the true leader and his leaving caused it. That is why Christian (assuming he is not the Nemesis or a tool of the Nemesis) said it needed to be Locke that left, because he was not the leader.
    • That does not justify why the island stopped skipping in time after Locke's departure.

Losties destiny fulfilled

Each of the Losties that were transported back to 1977 each had a specific purposes that needed to be fulfill, and each one depended on a specific already-seen trait in that character. Jack's initiative, Kate's will to do good no matter what the cost, Sawyer's deceptiveness, Daniel's brain, Sayid's "killer" instincts, Hurley's dim wits, Juliet's persistence, Miles' ability, and Jin's decisiveness.. These purposes are each significant to the flow of time, and will make it so that the events in the "future" unfold as they should. Once these purposes are fulfilled, they will be transported back to present day. Juliet was likely the last one to fulfill hers, so they will all go back the moment the bomb detonates.

  • Jack - The one to carry on Faraday's plan of blowing up the bomb.
  • Kate - Saving Ben by donating blood and bringing him to the Others
  • Sawyer - Helping everyone achieve trust with the DHARMA Initiative when the first arrived in 1974
  • Daniel - Bringing up the plan to detonate the bomb
  • Sayid - Shooting Ben
  • Hurley - Revealing to Dr. Chang that they are from the future, making him evacuate the island
  • Juliet - Ultimately blowing up the bomb
  • Miles - First discovering the massive electromagnetic forces via the dead body in the body bag
  • Jin - Saving Ben by bringing him back to DHARMA-ville
    • except why is there an island in 2007?
      • Miles is NOT the first to discover the electromagnetic forces of the island. He does not mention such force to Dr. Chang but he knows about the power contained on the island and is already trying to harvest it.

Keeping Locke off Island

  • Throughout season 4, there are many instances that seem to imply that Locke should leave the island and never come back. According to Christian, Locke is supposed to turn the wheel and leave the island. Usually this means you can never come back, thus preventing Locke from returning and killing Jacob. Claire tells Kate "Don't bring him back" in her dream, Hurley is told by a vision of Charlie to tell Jack "you're not supposed to 'raise' him." These are not referring to Aaron, but Locke.
  • There is additional evidence to suggest that forces, one faction at least, were attempting to keep Locke on the island not expel him off of it. The purpose for keeping Locke on the island was to prevent his death and the usurpation of his identity by the man in black. On the island Locke suffered multiple potentially fatal injuries but was miraculously healed, essentially making it near impossible for him to die on the island. It was only after leaving the island that Locke could die and the man in black's plot to steal his likeness could be realized.
    • Locke destroys the submarine and communication station, two important pieces of equipment necessary for arranging a departure from the island.
    • Locke consistently pleads with Jack and others to not leave the island.

Ben's Role

  • A - It is Ben that kills Jacob.
  • B - It is Ben that killed Locke.
  • C - It is Ben that dislodged the wheel creating time shifts that made all the time travels possible.
  • Look carefully. Just after Jacob asks Locke about the loophole and Locke confirms it, the scene immediately goes to Ben's startled face. The implication here is not that Jacob's nemesis in Locke's body was the loophole...rather *Ben is the loophole*--having returned to the Island when he was banished and now about to stab Jacob. Jacob's enemy found his loophole in getting Ben to do the killing.
  • Ben was not healed at the Temple. He Died. Jacob's nemesis took his place, the same way as he did with Locke. Also Jacob was able to do the same thing, this is why Ben tells Widmore that he cannot kill him when he meets him at his house. It's because Charles is a manifestation of Jacob. And it's not until Jacob's nemesis leaves Ben body that he can directly attack Jacob. This is also why Ben kills Locke, so than later he can uses him to approach Jacob.
    • Ben is not the Nemesis, because the Nemesis is Locke.
      • Rather, Ben is a manifestation of Jacob. Remember, Ben said: "We're the good guys."

The Coming War

Eloise and Jacob will lead their forces against Widmore and Jacob's nemesis. The Losties are the variables and will determine the outcome.

  • On Jacob's nemesis' side: Locke, Ben, Christian, Claire.
  • On Jacob's side: Jack and friends, Ilana and friends, Richard, and Widmore,Walt,Aaron,Eloise

We can assume that everyone Jacob touched in the flashbacks are part of his plan: Kate, Sawyer, Locke, Jack, Sayid, Hurley, Jin, & Sun

  • Sun will be on Nemesis's side because of Christian telling her to follow Locke. Jack will be on Nemesis's side because of his new-found belief in Locke's views.

Hurley and Jacob

  • Jacob needs Hurley to go back to the island because he knew that he was going to die and the only one that can talk to the dead is Hurley (Miles cannot speak with those who have been cremated, and since Jacob's nemesis burned Jacob's body, only Hurley would be able to communicate with Jacob after death), so Hurley is going to be some sort of middleman between Jacob and The Others.
  • When Hurley checked out of prison he was given 3 items that Jacob had previously given to the Losties in the other flashbacks. Money (kate), a pen (Sawyer) and a Candy Bar (Jack). This is how these characters, barring Sayid, arrived in 1977.
    • Actually, Jacob does NOT hand Kate money, he uses money to make a purchase, what he hands her is the lunchbox.

Time Loop?

  • Jacob and his nemesis are not originally from the present or future, they have already experienced it, despite it being in the 19th century. They have been in a LONG time loop, over and over, starting with the arrival of the Black Rock (or likely earlier given the Egyptian elements and Latin) and ending some time in the near future (2007 or later). In each time loop, Jacob and his nemesis are attempting to get the upper hand and control a final outcome in their own favor and defeat the other. In the loop we are witnessing, the nemesis has been working to manipulate and mislead primarily Locke, Ben and Richard to bring about the "loophole" that allows him to have the Others' leader kill Jacob. Meanwhile, Jacob has been manipulating Kate, Jack, Sawyer and Hurley, putting them in positions to reverse or alter this outcome ("...they are coming"). Whatever is in the guitar case will be instrumental to this end. The actions of Jacob and the nemesis are like those of Bill Murray's character in "Groundhog Day": the more he experiences the same day (or time loop), the more expert he becomes at manipulating outcomes of various story lines.
  • The Losties will succeed in changing the future - but it won't be their future. They will create a different run through time, in which (in 2004) the crash doesn't happen, or is somehow different. Thus, the pasties will stay in the past, since they didn't change their past, but rather, the Survivors from this new series of events.
  • The Incident always happened (it was only an incident and not catastrophic because of the bomb), but there is another chance to stop Oceanic 815 from crashing. The release of energy will cause Jack flash to 2004 and find Desmond alone at the Hatch. They will take shifts pushing the button so their plane doesn't crash. But they will be standing on the beach watching their plane fly overhead. It will be their present. When characters flash to a point in time where they already exist, they don't take the place of themselves, they coexist. Miles didn't become baby Miles.
    • No, Miles did not become the baby version of himself, but the same person can not coexist with oneself sharing the same time and space. On the full Orchid video, it shows Dr. Chang freaking out when he realizes there are 2 bunnies with the same number and yells to the crew that those two bunnies can not come close to one another. The same thing would happen to people in that situation.
      • Dr. Chang was concerned that there would be some issue if the two bunnies came near to each other, but this may not have been from sure fact. He may have been broadly concerned (as we are above) that two copies of one entity may fight, go crazy, or explode when they get near each other. After all, Chang and the DI are still doing small scale simple experiments - they do not understand the exotic nature completely and cannot be sure of the results.

Yin, Yang, and Liberation

  • The island is an anomaly that allows for the bending of local time-space. At some point in history (late Roman Egypt?), people learned to control it to a degree and built the wheel. Coincidentally, it also enhances whatever psychic gifts a person might have, causes rapid healing, and slows adult aging to a crawl.

Jacob and his nemesis each have their own special powers. Jacob is capable of leaving the island and can "nudge" people to do the things he wants them to do. Jacob's nemesis, on the other hand, cannot leave the island, but has powers over the natural forces of the island, like the smoke monster.

  • The loophole is, in fact, the period of Lost. Jacob and his nemesis are struggling, sometimes together and sometimes separately, to use the loophole to free themselves from the loop. They do so by manipulating the people - especially, of course, the major characters.

Burning bodies and objects

  • This episode continues the idea of burning bodies (and cabins): in the same episode, Ilana and her group burn down Jacob's cabin, and Jacob's nemesis kicks him into the fire once Ben stabs him. Both of these are people knowledgeable about the Island's mysteries, which may imply that this has broader implications on the Island. This also may be the reason the Hostiles require the return of dead bodies from the DHARMA Initiative, and it may prevent dead people from being resurrected or possessed by either The Island, Jacob, Jacob's nemesis or anyone else.
    • Note that the corpses of the 815 passengers were burned by the rest (without knowing the possible effects) with the fuselage, while most of the survivors who died after the crash were buried (Nikki and Paulo, Ana Lucia and Libby etc). It seems that only the people whose bodies were left intact appear to the survivors in dreams and visions: people who were buried (e.g. Ana Lucia to Hurley), left in pits (Horace), simply decomposed (Yemi), drowned (Charlie) or came in a coffin (Locke and Christian). It's unclear, however, why the Hostiles/Others would just leave the DHARMA Initiative bodies, or not warn the survivors against burial, if they knew they could be possessed.
    • This could also mean that Jacob's nemesis could be killed or weakened by burning Locke's body, although he didn't seem to show any interest in finding it after 316 crashed.

Pregnancy, Cancer and Death

  • First we should remember that all people on the island where brought to the island - very likely by Jacob. There are none conceived and born on the island. If they die on the island it is probably because Jacob wants them to die but normal deaths like cancer are prevented or given by Jacob. He makes the rules.
   * Ethan WAS born on the island, delivered by Juliet in the episode "LaFleur". 
  • The loophole has to do with people/spirits entering the island without being brought by Jacob.
    • Spirits: when Jacob visits people in the real world he always touches them, imprinting them with his spirit. Jacob's Nemesis can do the same, only he wasn't able until now to leave the cabin or the island. We still have to find out who broke the ash circle that allowed Nemesis to leave the island and enter Locke.
    • Pregnancy: Jacob prevents pregnancy on the island because this would allow his Nemesis to enter this new body and this would destroy the free will of this baby - a potential danger for Jacob. The spirit would enter at the the moment of conception which means women who got pregnant off the island and come to the island have no problem with Jacob.
    • Ben: the smoke monster is a third party, maybe even more powerful then Jacob and his Nemesis. The smoke monster may represent the island and follows its own agenda. Nemesis or the smoke monster heals young Ben when he is shot. Since he is close to death, maybe dead and resurrected, the spirit of Nemesis or the smoke monster can enter Ben. Forthwith the spirit influences Ben's decisions. Since Ben is young this is very effective and leads to a life of deceit and also neglect by Jacob who doesn't want to kill Ben since he believes in free will. Only when Jacob notices the influence of a spirit in him he gives Ben cancer. Jacob tries to stop Ben a second time by touching Sayid after he left the island. When Sayid comes back to the island he shoots young Ben which ironically may set other things in motion.
    • Locke I: The first time when Nemesis tries to enter Locke's body is when Ben shoots Locke and Locke falls in a pit. Nemesis controlled Ben for many years but finally knew that Richard would never take Ben to see Jacob so he had a chance to kill Jacob. Nemesis decided to enter Locke, who is directly brought to Jacob when he tells Richard. Locke was nearly dead when shot but it seems it was not enough to allow Nemesis' spirit to enter.
    • Locke II: Since the first attempt to enter Locke failed, Nemesis tried something different. The spirit of a person leaves his body when he dies. When Ben kills Locke off the island, Locke's spirit is free and combines with either the spirit of Nemesis inside Ben to form new Locke. This would also explain why Ben changed so much since his own spirit is now alone, stripped from the influence of Nemesis.
    • Rules: Jacob must control who enters the island. The loophole was created because New-Locke's body inhabited both Locke's and Nemesis's spirit, essentially making him Locke who was allowed to enter the island. Old Locke's body was simply dead and contained no spirit. Locke was the only person Richard would have brought to Jacob. That's why it was so important for Nemesis to move on from Ben to Locke. Moreover, Nemesis knew who would be on the second flight - like Jacob he can see the future. Since Ben was the only one who could leave the island, he had to kill Locke. Nemesis' spirit inside Ben and Locke's spirit combined to form new Locke. Old Locke's body was left behind.
  • After Sayid extracted the plutonium core from Jughead, the leaking radiation caused infertility problems for people living in the Barracks. Survivors on the Beach weren't effected.

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