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[opening Lost theme]

Kris White: Bienvenue, and welcome to the Official Lost Podcast, hosted by This week, we're coming to you from, well, the same place we always do, but it's been vacuumed, if that makes any difference. Anyway, this week, we have Part 2 of our interview with actor Jorge Garcia, and we have more from executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse. They'll be talking about the upcoming episode "Lockdown," and it's a good one. That airs Wednesday, March 29th from 9 to 10 pm on ABC. Also, this week, as promised, we have a special feature for you: a chance to vote on the official Damon and Carlton theme song. And no, it's not from Brokeback Mountain or the Olympics. It's from our free library of music.

[soundtrack music]

Kris White: A couple of weeks ago, we spoke with actor Jorge Garcia, who plays Hurley, about how he got into acting. This week, we get into the more juicy topics like: When will Hurley finally get some lovin'?

Jorge Garcia: We shot more, in that episode, when you kind of first see them doing laundry, uh, Hurley asks Libby on a date, uh, well, to go on a walk, which is what the island equivalent of a date is, you know, instead of- you can't really do dinner and a movie. And they also showed us on that walk, uh, for a brief moment. So... yeah, I hope- it looks there might be more to come. So, we'll see.

Kris White: Will this be the first time you've done a potential love scene on any of your roles?

Jorge Garcia: Um... well, I did something that was kind of an intimate scene, but this is definitely the most like, you know, kind of romantic and like, you know, it's very- it has a very high school sweetheart kind of love quality to it, which is, you know, kind of cute.

Kris White: Of course, it's not all walks and cuteness on the island. In fact, some of the most challenging moments for Hurley have also strangely enough been the most challenging moments for Jorge Garcia.

Jorge Garcia: Crossing that bridge in my episode, that was pretty scary and precarious, you know, that- that stuff's, uh, probably the hardest thing, kind of like, you know, trying to put my fears aside and cross a rickety, you know, that bridge was pretty scary because it had one rope on one side, and the other side didn't have a rope so, as you start about halfway through, the bridge starts tilting towards the open side, and, you know, I'm a big guy, so it tilted more for me than it did for Dominic, I'll tell you that much. And that was scary 'cause I knew that my whole feet were somehow trying to grip onto the bridge through my shoes because as soon as I got off the bridge, my feet were killing me 'cause finally those muscles relaxed for a minute.

[clip from a conversation between Jack, Sayid, Charlie, and Hurley from "Numbers" when they find the bridge]

Jorge Garcia: There's like a safety strap that kind of went around my waist that if I were to fall, I'd be hanging there for a little bit, and then they had like a- this um- this thing that we- like a cherry picker that could- we could then get onto, and it would bring us back to safety.

[another clip from "Numbers" when the bridge collapses]

Jorge Garcia: I also have this great, kind of almost, uh, I enjoy pushing my fears, like I'm afraid of spiders too, but if I get like- if I see a spiderweb, I'll sometimes get a stick 'cause it'll wiggle on one end of it if it's long enough, and I just kind of touch the web and make the spider, you know, start trying to find the bug that he thinks is doing it. Then I run away screaming like a girl. But it's kind of still fun to put yourself in those situations. It's like horror movies and roller coasters. It's not so much you pay for the sensation, but you pay for the ability to survive it. The other thing that was really hard was, in the finale, was, uh, that was the longest escalator I'd ever seen, and I had to run up the escalator with luggage over and over and over again, and they basically used the last five minutes at the top of the escalator just from where the camera was. It was like, I was like- but I had to run up the entire thing and then go back down and do it again and again and again. You're also dodging people on your way up, and it just- it just kept- it just felt like it was getting longer and longer 'cause that was an escalator that, you know skipped a floor, it went up two floors as opposed to just one.

Kris White: Did the people change position every time or were you jostling the same people in the same position?

Jorge Garcia: Well I was, well, you know, actually, I think they had to do more of avoiding me than I had to do avoiding them 'cause I had to book, and so that was- I just kept saying "Excuse me" and just going as fast as I can.

Kris White: They were all stunt actors though, right?

Jorge Garcia: No, they were just background. I mean, I don't think they got any extra stunt stuff, but, you know, they might have been bounced a little bit, but I don't think I hurt 'em too bad.

Kris White: Just a note, if Lost truly were purgatory, Jorge would still be on that staircase, and his character would be named Sisyphus -- look that one up. In the mean time though, it's once again time for Damon and Carlton.

Carlton Cuse: Hello, and welcome to another podcast with Carlton Cuse and...

Damon Lindelof: Damon Lindelof. Yeah, I like that. That's kind of like- you're- it's like- now we're- we've got a- kind of like- Welcome to another-

Carlton Cuse: Welcome, welcome, welcome to another podcast! (???) Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof for Lost, Lost, Lost!

Damon Lindelof: It's like-

Carlton Cuse: Sunday, Sunday, Sunday!

Damon Lindelof: It's monster truck action.

[Carlton coughs]

Damon Lindelof: I like it. It's exciting. [Carlton coughs again] You okay there? Do you need some water?

Carlton Cuse: I do. That was- that pretty much took me down. I don't know how those guys do that. Sunday, Sunday, Sunday!

Damon Lindelof: Wednesday, Wednesday, Wednesday! Wednesday at 9:00, Lost.

Carlton Cuse: An all new Lost!

Damon Lindelof: All right, well, speaking of us indulging ourselves and acting like complete dorks, we've been joking about this for quite some time now, but I think it's time to actually pick some theme music.

Carlton Cuse: Let's actually back up, I mean, Kris, our fantastic producer here has actually come up with some selections for us and, uh, [phone rings] we're go- oh my god, there goes the phone again!

Damon Lindelof: That is not-

Carlton Cuse: Kris, that's probably for you.

Damon Lindelof: That is not the theme music.

Carlton Cuse: That's somebody calling in to suggest the theme music. Um, but anyway, so Kris is here with us, and he's got some theme music for us, and we're actually- we thought that we would actually play some for you guys, and then you can vote on the Internet at and help us select what should be our podcast theme song.

Damon Lindelof: This is of crucial, crucial importance to us. We need your help. I know that you are busy selecting our next American Idol, and, quite honestly, Carlton is pulling for Chris Daughtry, um-

Carlton Cuse: Yes.

Damon Lindelof: And uh-

Carlton Cuse: Go Chris!

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, and I'm a big- big fan of, uh, McPhee, whose name escapes me but-

Carlton Cuse: Right.

Damon Lindelof: Um... but you sh- you need to vote for our theme song 'cause that's really important.

Carlton Cuse: Now the other thing that you need to know -- and this is really the God's honest truth -- we have not listened- we have not prescreened any of these. We haven't listened to them. We're actually going to-

Damon Lindelof: Hearing them for the first time.

Carlton Cuse: First time right along with you here.

Damon Lindelof: So, not unlike Simon Cowell, you can allow our commentary to, uh, sway you, but ultimately, your vote counts, America.

Carlton Cuse: Wow, this is like Lost crossed with American Idol. This could be big.

Damon Lindelof: I think it- it has the potential to be huge.

Carlton Cuse: We could have like three more podcast listeners by doing this.

Damon Lindelof: I think there's a way to do that. Okay, so let's let the games begin. Here is number 1.

Carlton Cuse: This is number 1, selection number 1.

[music plays]

[Damon and Carlton chuckle]

Damon Lindelof: It's kind of a muzak feel.

Carlton Cuse: Uh, well, you know, if we were doing the podcast in an elevator, it might be good.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, all right, I'm gonna vote [music stops] no on that one personally.

Carlton Cuse: Supermarket, I don't know, you know, it kind of makes me feel like shopping, like picking up a couple of porterhouse-

Damon Lindelof: It makes me feel like-

Carlton Cuse: -and a thing of Campbell's soup.

Damon Lindelof: It makes me feel like skipping.

Carlton Cuse: [snickers] Well, most things do.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, that's for sure. Let's not go there again.

Carlton Cuse: All right, Kris, number 2.

[music plays]

Damon Lindelof: I like this. This is kind of like it's a little bluesy and, you know, it's sort of got a Chappelle Show thing going on.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah, it's not bad.

Damon Lindelof: It has nothing [music stops] whatsoever to do with our show or you or I as in- actually-

Carlton Cuse: It has a lot to do with me as an individual. Just don't- okay?

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, all right, I won't go there. Why are you crying? All right, obviously, don't vote for number 2, unless you want Carlton to cry through every podcast.

Carlton Cuse: Okay, Kris, number 3, cue the 3.

[music plays]

[Carlton laughs]

Damon Lindelof: I like it, 'cause when I think Lost, I think banjo!

Carlton Cuse: This is a special [music stops] Sawyer podcast.

Damon Lindelof: You should do your Sunday, Sunday, Sunday thing.

Carlton Cuse: Sunday, Sunday, Sunday

Damon Lindelof: That's good, all right.

Carlton Cuse: Only at the Austin County Fair

Damon Lindelof: All right, moving on. That was number 4?

Kris White: (???) this is 4.

Damon Lindelof: This is 4.

[music plays]

Damon Lindelof: Okay, now we're talking. All right, this is it.

Carlton Cuse: Cool.

Damon Lindelof: This is the one.

Carlton Cuse: This is pretty happening.

Damon Lindelof: This is like, I have a car, and it talks-

Carlton Cuse: And a gun-

Damon Lindelof: And we solve- and we solve crimes and- and wh- on the full moon, we turn into werewolves.

Carlton Cuse: We need some action stuff going on man. We need- we need to be like- we need to have some guns.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah.

Carlton Cuse: And we need to be shoot-

Damon Lindelof: I want to kick somebody in the face right now. And number f- was that 4? 4.

[music stops]

Carlton Cuse: 4 kind of rocked.

Damon Lindelof: All right.

Carlton Cuse: That's cool.

Damon Lindelof: Number 5.

Carlton Cuse: That's cool, like, man.

[music plays]

Damon Lindelof: Hate it, moving on.

Carlton Cuse: Wait, no, wait!

Damon Lindelof: Dude, we've got number 4, man. This sucks.

Carlton Cuse: This is kind of like, you know, Steely Dan, like, uh, on a qualude.

Damon Lindelof: Oh man.

Carlton Cuse: Okay-

Damon Lindelof: Oh brother.

[music stops]

Carlton Cuse: Not that one.

[music plays]

Carlton Cuse: Number 6? This is number 6.

Damon Lindelof: This is kind of a little trancy, a little tripped out.

Carlton Cuse: This is cool, man. Wow.

Damon Lindelof: We could be like-

Carlton Cuse: This is like-

Damon Lindelof: You know what this would good for-

Carlton Cuse: Welcome to Lost- This would be like theorizing on Lost.

Damon Lindelof: We could be like-

Carlton Cuse: Just come in- just call in with your theories, and we'll listen to them.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, at this part, it's like this would be-

Carlton Cuse: It's all a dream, man.

Damon Lindelof: We could be like, all right-

Carlton Cuse: DHARMA implanted-

Damon Lindelof: Wait, wait-

Carlton Cuse: It's all in their brains, man.

Damon Lindelof: Keep it playing, it's like, all right, let's take it down, ladies and gentleman, and talk a little bit about Desmond.

[Carlton chuckles]

[music stops]

Damon Lindelof: All right, that's cool-

Carlton Cuse: That's cool.

Damon Lindelof: Like if we want to- that's transition music but not good theme music. That was 6?

Carlton Cuse: It's transcendental.

Kris White: 6.

Damon Lindelof: All right.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah.

[music plays]

Damon Lindelof: All right, not bad.

Carlton Cuse: Take me down to funky island.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, it's not number 4, but-

Carlton Cuse: This isn't bad.

Damon Lindelof: Wow, Carl-

Carlton Cuse: Welcome to Lost-

Damon Lindelof: Ladies and gentleman, you can't see this right now, but Carlton has just taken out a piece of cardboard and is doing the worm on the gr- Wow! I- that is astonishing!

Carlton Cuse: You see that spin? You know how long it took me to learn that spin?

[music stops]

Damon Lindelof: I can't believe you just spun on your head! All right.

Carlton Cuse: That's great.

Damon Lindelof: That was number 7?

Kris White: (???) number 7.

Damon Lindelof: Number 7. All right.

Carlton Cuse: We've got ten of these.

Damon Lindelof: This is great. Your- stay tuned for your questions.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah.

[music plays]

Damon Lindelof: Now this is kind of like a Big Bad Voodoo Daddy kind of thing.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah.

Damon Lindelof: Which is good 'cause of all the voodoo that's coming on the show.

Carlton Cuse: Exactly. We've got a whole season of voodoo coming up. Season 5, all voodoo.

Damon Lindelof: All right, we get it.

[music stops]

Carlton Cuse: Okay.

Damon Lindelof: That sets up for Season 7, zombies.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah.

[music plays]

Damon Lindelof: All right, this is kind of a little-

Carlton Cuse: Cool.

Damon Lindelof: -more metal.

Carlton Cuse: Slam it baby! IT'S LOST!

Damon Lindelof: YEAH!


Damon Lindelof: HURLEY! Hurley's a good name for like a-

Carlton Cuse: HURLEY!

Damon Lindelof: -metal band. Ladies and gentleman, Hurley!

[music stops]

Damon Lindelof: All right.

Carlton Cuse: That's cool. I kind of like that one.

[music plays]

Damon Lindelof: Oh my god. Wow, [Carlton laughs] Carlton, where did you get those maracas?

Carlton Cuse: Damon-

Damon Lindelof: Put those away before someone gets hurt!

Carlton Cuse: Okay, I'm gonna talk to you about that in a just a minute. Well, it's a very very special Lost. That's for the-

Damon Lindelof: I like it. It's got a little bit of a-

Carlton Cuse: Romanian. It's very good for- it's very good for the French woman, who's actually Yugoslavian.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, it makes me either w-

Carlton Cuse: Where will- where you hide them?

Damon Lindelof: Where will you hide them? It makes me either want to juggle or do magic, this music.

Carlton Cuse: Well-

Damon Lindelof: Why not do both?

[music stops]

Carlton Cuse: Wow, look at that.

Damon Lindelof: All right, so there we go.

Carlton Cuse: There we are.

Damon Lindelof: Again-

Carlton Cuse: Those are the ten choices.

Damon Lindelof: Again America, the vote is yours, but no matter what you vote for, it's gonna be number 4.

Carlton Cuse: No, it's not.

Damon Lindelof: No, wait, seriously, this is a democracy.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah, it's a democracy to a point. Um-

Damon Lindelof: It's a democracy-

Carlton Cuse: If you- if you make us do number 10-

Damon Lindelof: Yeah.

Carlton Cuse: You're not gonna be happy.

Damon Lindelof: Seriously, it is an absolute democracy. Your vote counts, unless you vote for 1, 2, 3, 5-

Carlton Cuse: Stop!

Damon Lindelof: 6, 7, 8, 9, or, 10

Carlton Cuse: The rock one- the rock one was cool, man, i- was the sort of cosmic one. There's- there's some choices there.

Damon Lindelof: All right.

Carlton Cuse: Thank you, Kris.

Damon Lindelof: I like the one where we have guns and turn into werewolves.

Carlton Cuse: That was cool. That's excellent. Um, by the way, just as a little aside here, since last week, we've been in talks with the various merchandising people, and actually, for this podcast, Damon is actually wearing a tuxedo from the now fledgling Mr. Eko collection.

Damon Lindelof: Yes.

Carlton Cuse: It's a very- it's very nice understated black subtle lapels with a uh- kind of a cream colored shirt, and that's a very nice uh- sort of silver tie.

Damon Lindelof: Right, and oddly enough, no pants, which is sort of what makes it-

Carlton Cuse: Well, the pants are still in the works. That's the uh- you know, of course, it is Disney, where Donald Duck has no pants.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah.

Carlton Cuse: So-

Damon Lindelof: You know me, any excuse not to put on pants.

Carlton Cuse: Exactly, you can be Donald Duck in it all day here.

Damon Lindelof: I'm- uh- I'm proud of Donald Duck always.

Carlton Cuse: Okay, so today we're going to talk very briefly about uh-

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, now that we've spent so much time on- now that you've actually fast forwarded through the theme-

Carlton Cuse: Are we to assume -- okay, let me just cut to the chase -- are we supposed to assume that Sun is pregnant by Jin, Damon?

Damon Lindelof: Well, that's an excellent question, Carlton, because, you know, she looked him right in the eye after being sort of implored by Jack to tell the whole truth -- and well I'll be darned if the title of the episode wasn't "The Whole Truth" -- that she's never been with another guy. But at the same time, when we saw that last flashback when she's standing there with that guy, Jae Lee, or whatever his name is.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah.

Damon Lindelof: I think that's his name.

Carlton Cuse: Jae.

Damon Lindelof: I mean, this is me-

Carlton Cuse: J-a-e

Damon Lindelof: This is me pretending to be like, you know, not on the show. Um, my take away from it was [phone rings] wow any- [Carlton snickers] anything could- I would have told you if the phone hadn't rung. Anything- it's up in the air. I mean, I want to know. I want to see more, so...

Carlton Cuse: Yeah, and there was that also kind of a funny expression on her face, wasn't there? I mean, it wasn't like, you know-

Damon Lindelof: Not like funny like somebody pulled her finger, but like, you know, funny like-

Carlton Cuse: Uh-oh.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, maybe I'm not being completely honest here.

Carlton Cuse: Right.

Damon Lindelof: So-

Carlton Cuse: (???) the episode was called "The Whole Truth."

Damon Lindelof: Right, but I would look at it this way-

Carlton Cuse: Doesn't mean it was nothing but the truth.

Damon Lindelof: If Jae can't have kids, and uh-

Carlton Cuse: Jae? You mean Jin.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, if Jin can't have kids, and she's pregnant, either the island got her pregnant, or somebody else did.

Carlton Cuse: Or Jae maybe got her pregnant. Or maybe there's somebody else who we don't even know about until the voodoo season.

Damon Lindelof: I'll stay tuned. Sort of an Eko goatee issue.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah, I mean, the thing about it is is like, given that the first season of the show took about 90 days and, you know, same with this s- or first two seasons took like 90 days, she's not gonna have this baby until like the voodoo season.

Damon Lindelof: That- that's a great time to have it. [Carlton giggles] I mean, that'll be a really good time to have it.

Carlton Cuse: All right, so next up is "Lockdown," which is an episode that uh- Damon and I authored, and um- we are very excited about this episode. There's a big piece of mythology in this episode, isn't there Damon?

Damon Lindelof: There- a couple huge [Carlton: "Yeah"] pieces of mythology coming up in this episode [Carlton: "Yeah"] for all- all of you out there who have sort of been sitting and waiting for, you know, kind of more island mystery, um, it's coming in- in a big way. And we're closing some doors, but opening some others, and I think what's sort of really engaging, you know, just coming into this episode is, you know, Sayid and Charlie and Ana Lucia are all off in the- when last we saw them at the end of last week, it was pouring rain, and they gotten to the spot on the map where Henry's balloon was supposed to be, and there's no balloon, so I'm kind of like wondering what's gonna happen when they come back and basically, you know, say-

Carlton Cuse: Report in.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, and report in. I mean, you know, what's gonna go on there, that should be- 'cause I have to be honest with you, after five episodes of wondering whether this guy is or is not an Other, I kind of want to know already, so...

Carlton Cuse: Well, I think, um, that's- that's an answer that's gonna be forthcoming soon.

Damon Lindelof: I'm looking forward to that.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah, it actually is gonna be really good. And, you know, this season uh-

Damon Lindelof: But-

Carlton Cuse: Yeah?

Damon Lindelof: So "Lockdown," is that like- is that some sort of clever pun? I mean, is it gonna be a Locke episode or what-

Carlton Cuse: In fact, it is a Locke episode, Damon.

Damon Lindelof: Does he fall down in the episode?

Carlton Cuse: Um, he does fall down and can't get up.

Damon Lindelof: So that's essentially what it is.

Carlton Cuse: It is. It's like, you know, he's got one of those um-

Damon Lindelof: What would be cool though is if there was actually also some kind of lockdown.

Carlton Cuse: He tries calling 911, but that's kind of difficult.

Damon Lindelof: My guess is that ABC has already promoed the hell out of the fact that there is in fact a lockdown.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah, I'm sure that by the time we- we're not- we shouldn't be coy. He's trapped under a blast door in the hatch.

Damon Lindelof: A blast door?

Carlton Cuse: Well, yes.

Damon Lindelof: What's- what's getting blasted?

Carlton Cuse: I don't know.

Damon Lindelof: I'm excited about this.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah, it should be really cool. So anyway, we're uh- I think this is an episode which really does sort of kind of kick offs, and with some mythological reveals, a lot of stuff that we're gonna be dealing with through the finale of this year, and I think it's sort of almost kind of would be fair to say it sort of sets in motion perhaps the last act of the season.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, the denouement, if you will, if I knew what that word meant.

Carlton Cuse: I think if you did, you wouldn't have used it there.

Damon Lindelof: I certainly would not have. [Carlton chuckles] You can say that again.

Carlton Cuse: All right, do we have time for a few questions?

Damon Lindelof: I sure hope so.

Carlton Cuse: Okay.

Damon Lindelof: Play the fan- play the-


Carlton Cuse: The question music.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah.

Carlton Cuse: Or that rock theme.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, exactly.

Carlton Cuse: YEAH, MORE QUESTIONS! Okay.

Damon Lindelof: Um, may I start Carlton?

Carlton Cuse: Sure.

Damon Lindelof: Um... this question is from JohnnyCashAK, regarding character resets. Thank you, Johnny, uh, love your work. "Not to be a downer here, and this is a serious-" Whenever somebody starts their question that way, it's not gonna end good.

Carlton Cuse: Well, that's okay because, you know, you're in a tuxedo. I'm- I'm optimistic.

Damon Lindelof: "Not to be a downer here, and this is a serious question, whether it upsets people or not, but how exactly is resetting certain characters back to how they were at the beginning of the show, thus negating a season and a half of character development, a good thing? After listening to this week's podcast, it sounds like both of you are really excited about this, but to put it frankly, I'm lost." Heh, that's clever, I- used lost 'cause that's the name of the show. [Carlton snickers] I mean, I've never heard that one before.

Carlton Cuse: Um, you know, I would just say watch any television show that goes for a long time, and, uh, ask yourself, do characters repeat their behavior over and over again. In fact, I would say that, you know, one of things that's interesting about our show is that, and I think is interesting for us to explore as writers on the show, is the fact that we all as people and our characters all struggle with certain issues that they try to transcend. And, you know, I think we all have things in our lives that we struggle with that become sort of life-long issues, as do our characters. And I think that, you know, Sawyer is someone who struggles with his own sense of self-loathing. Charlie is struggling with drug-addiction. Um, you know, Sayid is struggling with his, you know, with the duality of himself as being a nice guy, but also having the potential to inflict, you know, torture on other people. And I think that these are issues that are not easily resolved. I don't think- you know, in the same way that the issues that we all have as individuals are not easily resolved. And I think that for us, these characters, it would be- the simple cop-out would be for the characters to actually resolve these issues in one simple sweet story. But that's not real-life, and I think that our characters are on this island perhaps in some measure to be tested and-

Damon Lindelof: Over and over.

Carlton Cuse: Over and over again on the axis of their issues- their individual issues so that- the stories that arise for these characters are the ones that challenge them to transcend their conditions, or we, you know, feel the sympathy of seeing them sort of fall victim to their conditions and- and struggle with the realities of that. And that's what we mean by resetting the characters.

Damon Lindelof: More importantly, you know, I think in the second season, we explored all those character deficits and those struggles in Season 1 in a vacuum -- they didn't know each other yet. Now it's much different to see Sawyer go through the same thing, but now he's in relationships with people. Everybody knows each other a lot better, and we feel that that makes it fresh. And just- I think this is the same thing in movies. I mean, do you want to go see Spiderman 3 and have like him in the beginning of Spiderman say, "You know what, I'm much more comfortable with this whole great power and great responsibility thing, and I'm perfectly fine with the fact that, you know, I like this girl and I've got two identities." I mean, you have to kind of go back to square one all the time, you know. John McClane is never gonna get over wanting to fight terrorists.

Carlton Cuse: Right.

Damon Lindelof: If he did, that would be sort of- it would be like Die Not So Hard, you know. Die a Little Softly Please, It's Too Loud.

Carlton Cuse: Yes, thank you. Uh, let me ask you a question, "Hello producers" by KateIsMine.

Damon Lindelof: Heh, uh-oh.

Carlton Cuse: "My friend says there will be repeats of Lost, best show ever, for three whole weeks. I don't like that, but I still love Lost. My mom says I'm an addict. I am. I have posters of Evangeline Lilly all over my room. Tell her I say hi, and tell Dominic to back off. She's mine, even though I'm way too young to marry."

Damon Lindelof: All right, first off, Carlton, [Carlton starts laughing] we've been over this. You don't have to- you do not have to present your own feelings as a bogus email. I know that you have posters of Evangeline all over. If you want to say hi, you can call her and tell her yourself. And if you have an issue with her's and Dominic's relationship, I suggest you get on the phone and deal with it. And by the way, you're not too young to be married. That's really all I can say. There wasn't really even a question there, [Carlton is still laughing] which- which exposes you even further.

Carlton Cuse: [still laughing] Busted.

Damon Lindelof: That's all I can say is busted. He's still sweating from his breakdancing routine. Um, all right, I've got, well, I think we probably have time for one more question each.

Carlton Cuse: Okay.

Damon Lindelof: Um, this is regarding by ZekesBrother, um, "So what is the deal with the website? It's been down forever. Is there a purpose, or am I missing a secret way to get in?"

Carlton Cuse: Um, no, that's actually very observant. The uh- it's sort of like a ride at Disneyland being remodeled. The Hanso Foundation website is down for remodeling, and when it comes back up, it is going to be awesome. In fact-

Damon Lindelof: Spectacular.

Carlton Cuse: In fact, we're actually, um, we're gonna kind of let you guys in on a secret. We're involved in a project which is going to, um, involve the Internet that's going to start, uh, in May.

Damon Lindelof: In May, but you're gonna have to watch the show, um, and not just the show, but what happens in between the show.

Carlton Cuse: Between the acts of the show.

Damon Lindelof: Sort of fairly carefully in order to sort of begin the path on this, what we're calling an experience.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah, and this Internet experience will actually be launched, uh, during one of the shows in May, and it will be a pathway that will lead to, um, a lot of information about the show that we're not gonna get to on the show, but it's not just a sort of ancillary...

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, it's not behind the scenes stuff either, it's like-

Carlton Cuse: It's real mythology-

Damon Lindelof: It's kind of cool storytelling.

Carlton Cuse: Yeah.

Damon Lindelof: And uh...

Carlton Cuse: Which, hopefully is gonna, in some degree, satisfy the desire for new material on Lost over the summer. I mean, you know, during that period of time when the show is down before we start the next season, we are actually gonna be telling some Lost stories.

Damon Lindelof: And since you're, you know, listening to this podcast and taking the time to sit through all our insanity and stupid jokes, we're letting you know that we're doing this, but once it starts, we're gonna completely deny having any involvement with it whatsoever. So you can actually come to us and go, "Hey, I'm playing this podcast back for you where you guys say you're responsible," and we'll go, "What are you-"

Carlton Cuse: We're not talking about that.

Damon Lindelof: What are you talking about? Like, we don't- that's not me-

Carlton Cuse: Well, we might not deny it, we may just-

Damon Lindelof: We'll just be kind of cheeky-

Carlton Cuse: We'll just say we can't comment.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah, we can't comment.

Carlton Cuse: Um...

Damon Lindelof: God, I- I know I just asked one, Carlton, but I have another question that I just have to ask.

Carlton Cuse: Okay.

Damon Lindelof: From QuinceTheCarpenter, uh, "Lost fans have posted a very large range of theories about the show on the Internet. I assume the show itself has some internal guidelines for what belongs in this imaginary world and what is too far out there, but given there is so much mystery, how will we know when Lost has, well, um, lost it. For example, I suggest we will know Lost has jumped the shark when Kate stars in a love scene with the black smoke monster, resulting in her becoming pregnant with her own clone. What is your vision for how Lost could jump the shark?"

Carlton Cuse: All right, first of all, get the writers and tell them to scrap that. That- now that the finale has been busted out by QuinceTheCarpenter, we're gonna have to [Damon: "Yeah."] bag on the smoke monster love scene.

Damon Lindelof: We can s- it's different though, Carlton. She does not get impregnated with her own clone -- she gets impregnated with *a* clone-

Carlton Cuse: That's true.

Damon Lindelof: But I think our idea is entirely different.

Carlton Cuse: Look, I mean, somewhere after the zombie year, year 7, there's a possibility that the show could jump the shark, but really, shy of that, it's hard to really see, um, what would constitute a shark-jumping.

Damon Lindelof: We talk about this all the time, and the reality is is that Lost kind of jumps the shark every week. I mean, we talked about, when we first started talking about what was in the hatch, and essentially, if somebody over the last summer, everyone was asking us, "What's in the hatch? What's in the hatch?" If we had turned to them and said, "Well, there's a guy in the hatch, and that guy actually sort of bumped into Jack back in one of Jack's flashbacks, but he's been in the hatch for the last four years, and he's been told that he has to push this button every 108 minutes or the world will end." You would have looked at us like we were insane, [Carlton: "Right"] and that we were about to jump the shark, but that's what we did, and, you know, the show has to take risks, and has to come very close to jumping the shark, or I think it fails miserably. The minute that we stop advancing the story that we know we want to tell it, I think it- [Carlton: "Yeah"] the real way we jump the shark is when the show becomes boring and stagnant and redundant [Carlton: "Right"] and repetitive.

Carlton Cuse: And, you know, we, you know, for us-

Damon Lindelof: Like this podcast. [Carlton giggles]

Carlton Cuse: For us-

Damon Lindelof: I'm putting myself to sleep. Wake me up when you're done talking.

Carlton Cuse: Okay. Just you know, maybe-

Damon Lindelof: It's myself. I've never bored myself.

Carlton Cuse: I think your necktie is too tight.

Damon Lindelof: Yeah-

Carlton Cuse: I don't- what made you decide long tie versus bow tie?

Damon Lindelof: When you're wearing no pants, it's all in the accessories. [Carlton laughs] All right.

Carlton Cuse: All right, well, um, I think you pretty much summed it up. We're- yeah, we don't, you know, we don't wanna take chances on our storytelling. There.

Damon Lindelof: All right, I'm obviously boring you.

Carlton Cuse: Okay, thanks guys, see you next time.

Damon Lindelof: Check out Ricky Gervais' podcast. I hear it's very entertaining.

Carlton Cuse: Bye.

Damon Lindelof: Bye.

Kris White: Remember Lost fans, you can hear Damon and Carlton's theme songs on, where you can vote for your favorite and also submit your own fan questions. "Lockdown" airs Wednesday, March 29th from 9 to 10pm, only on ABC.

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