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The icy terrain of the Lost Continent

The Lost Continent is the northernmost continent on the world map of Gaia in Final Fantasy IX.

Characterized by an extremely cold climate and soaring mountains, the Lost Continent's settlements are few, with the only village being Esto Gaza, a holy town where pilgrims come. Mount Gulug, and the Fire Shrine are volcanic areas and are the only other locations on the mainland. The Mitmakis Ice Field is the name given to the hills of snow surrounding these three locations. The Lost Continent is accessible by beach along its southern edge. The Shimmering Island lies to the south and is the gateway to Terra.

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Fanon Alert!
This article contains art, spin-off fiction, theories, reference and community material created by fans inspired by Lost.
It is by definition non-canon, but generally distinct from intentionally fake hoaxes or humorous fan parody material.

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General

The Island where Oceanic Airlines Flight 815 crashed might be, or have been part of a lost mythical continent.

(note that none of what is discussed below is really referring to a continent -- all of the theories (Atlantis, etc) refer to islands)

Details

The four toed foot and part of its pedestal
  • Ben (aka Henry Gale) says that no one will find the island
  • Desmond cannot leave the island
  • In the season 2 finale, we see a foot of a giant statue (with four toes), pointing to a remnant of a lost civilization.
    • and since then many other ruins
  • Walt might have powers (telepathy, astral travel) often associated with members of legendary races.
  • John's father is strapped to a pillar building which looks to influenced by the Greeks.
  • The reason no one knows where this island is is because it's where it's not supposed to be, ie. the South Pacific.

Pros/ Positives

  • The island "sinks" in a flash of light at the end of season 4; this phenomenon exactly matches the description of what happened to Atlantis. All that would be necessary would be for the island to be sent back in time and vanish once more, the ancients would interpret it as sinking in the ocean.
  • The fantastic "magical" level of technology there is indicative of the knowledge and power that (legend has it) the Atlanteans possessed.
  • The Egyptian influence (Egyptian Gods and mythology, specifically) actually infers that the island is the source of Egyptian culture; Atlantis being the "founder" culture of ancient Egypt is a very common alternative-history viewpoint. The best examples are "Fingerprints of the Gods" and "Message of the Sphinx" by Graham Hancock but there are also books by countless others (e.g. John Anthony West's "Serpent in the Sky").
  • The setting for a great TV show. In fact, in 1987, David Lynch and Mark Frost proposed a comedy to NBC called The Lemurians. The plot was to involve a leak of Lemurian essence from the bottom of the Pacific Ocean threatening the world. NBC rejected the proposal, though Lynch and Frost would later collaborate in the creation of Twin Peaks for ABC in 1990 and 1991.
  • The show is called "Lost"... While at face-value this refers to the survivors of Oceanic 815, such a setting gives it a perfect double meaning.

Cons/ Problems

  • If the continent is missing, how did the Dharma Initiative find it in the first place?
    • in 316 we learn that the Dharma Initiative had gathered evidence the Island existed, and established the Lamp Post station in Los Angeles to help calculate where the Island would be.
    • This is an irrelevant question and doubt, the argument forgets that something is only lost until it is found. Assume Dharma keeps its location a secret once discovered, seeing as the technology/knowledge there is dangerously super-powerful. Atlantis is only "lost" in tradition because it is undiscovered (so far as we know, anyway). The comment/issue raised above seems to suggest that nothing could be considered once "lost" if it was later "found."
    • Also, why would the DHARMA Initiative need to gather evidence to prove the island existed if it had not been "lost"?

Atlantis

Atlantis is a lost civilization that the philosopher Plato describes in some of his works. It was supposedly millennia ahead of its time and sank after a massive earthquake following its loss in the war with Athens. While it is considered an allegory to Greece's own demise, some theorize that it did, in fact, exist.

Details

The island may be the peak of Atlantis's tallest mountains and the remnants of the statue are what's left of an ancient Atlantian temple. The Black Rock (ship) is beached somewhere on the island, suggesting that at some time the island was at least partially "under water".

  • The Black Rock may have been in a part of the ocean in which the island APPEARED after another flash/movement (Incident, etc.) or "rose up" in.

Pros/ Positives

  • The big-four-toed stone foot at the end of season two clearly reminds the architectonic themes of ancient Greek architecture. Atlantis, according to its myth, was located approximately in that period of history.
    • The statue is revealed to be holding 2 Anhks in Season 5, episode "LaFleur" - Egypt is also very strongly tied to Atlantis folklore.
  • The foot having four toes points out at the same time that the ancient dwellers of the Island were anthropomorphic creatures and that they had something different from the rest of mankind. This fits pretty well in the imagery we have of Atlantis: people like us and - at the same time - not really like us.
    • It could also be a half animal/half human like the Egyptian god-figures.
  • Most of the mysterious happenings that take place on the island appear to refer to different fields (premonitions, hallucinations, unexplicable technologies, epidemics, geomagnetism) that would hardly find one single explanation, or at least one single source for all explanations. Considering, anyway, that in the western imagery we commonly look at Atlantis as to an island where people had some sort of superior wisdom that included magic and technology at the same time, the Island being Atlantis would explain much of these different phenomena.
  • Walt - who is one of the more "mystically" involved characters of the whole story - at a certain stage of the first Season is reading a Spanish comic, with a polar bear appearing in one of the pages. Polar bears appear in two different occasions in the series, attacking Walt in one. In the same comic (zooming on which the cameraman keenly indulged during that episode), on another page was drawn a big city-island under a big glass dome, in an Arctic environment. Considering the parallel between the fictional and the real polar bears, it's likely that also the drawing of the city-island means something - Atlantis? It should be considered, also, that according to modern legends and theories about it, the inhabitants of Atlantis would have originated from the North Pole. One of the scriptures on Eko's stick said to "look north" and Taweret is goddess of the northern sky.
  • Atlantis had knowledge millennia ahead of us. This could also include technology. This might be the technology present on the island, and as known, when The Numbers aren't pressed on time, a discharge takes place causing destruction. This destruction might have caused Atlantis to disappear.
  • The island is portable, so it can explain how Atlantis became lost.
  • The island gets sucked into the ocean, or it could appear to sink. Just like Atlantis.
  • The suppossedly native inhabitant of the island, Richard Alpert, has a latin-mediterranean aspect
  • When considering a theory of this magnitude it is important to remember the story is fiction. Therefore the actual existence of

"Atlantis" whether a continent or island is a myth and therefore lends itself to "creative license."

  • Several clues point from the creators, writers & producers: Fans of Stephen King will remember that he wrote a story called

"Hearts in Atlantis." Stephen King has been referenced several times in the show.

  • The Ankh as seen in "LaFleur" is normally associated with the Egyptians as are the heiroglyphics seen in various form on the

island. However, there are many theories that postulate that the Egyptians were visited by the wayward Atlanteans after their island fell and therefore brought much of their knowledge and custom to Egypt.

  • Edgar Cayce, "The Sleeping Prophet," once predicted that a tomb would be discovered/uncovered beneath the Sphinx at Giza in

which evidence of Atlantis' existence would be revealed. Hurley was seen painting a Sphinx in TLADOJB.

  • A race of advanced beings with a land of very advanced technology would likely want a way to shield themselves & their land from the mostly backwater peoples inhabiting the world. Hence being able to move the island. And when the inhabitants must leave/die off/whatever happened, they must have caretakers on the island to carry on with keeping it from the worlds view (though why the Dharma group was allowed to stay & build, I do not know).
  • In "The Incident" The "Loophole Man" asks Jacob if he's trying to prove him worng, after Jacob admits that he is bringing the boat to the island. Also the people that Richard Alpert (Ricardus) knows say Lupidas might be a "candidate." Atlantis is described as a society of the best pf human beings, and one could only be permitted to enter the island if they knew a password that only the greatest of people could know.
  • In "LA X" the island is seen to be submerged underwater, the Dharma houses and the remnants of Four Toed statue lay at the bottom of the ocean. This is the shows most obvious link with Atlantis so far.

Cons/ Problems

  • It is taken as writ that the losties are somewhere in the south-pacific. The words Atlantis and Atlantic are derived from the same root (Atlas, the Greek titan), and so it is that most scholars and hunters turn to the Atlantic Ocean for the most viable spot.
    • Since we now know that the island is portable, it is possible that once it was actually in the Atlantic, and now it's not.
    • This is nonsense. Atlas literally holds the "World" on his shoulders. The Atlantic was named for him, Atlantis was likely named after him by Plato (it wasn't necessarily what the natives called it). Plenty of things are named after gods, it doesn't mean squat. Anyway, the name Atlantic was a Roman invention, long after the greeks and Atlantians!
    • I think the black rock being there shows some evidence for the Island once being in the Atlantic however, as slave ships sailed from Britain -> West Africa -> USA -> Britain, during the slave trade, if the ship passed the island the chances are it was in the atlantic during Jacob and "Mystery Man's" talk
  • There exists no rock solid proof that Atlantis ever existed, most who believe in or support such the existence do so relying on little and unstable evidence.
    • On the other hand, there's no need of any proof of the existence of Atlantis to make a show about it, in the same way in which Roland Emmerich could direct Independence Day without any proof that Aliens existed and actually wanted to exterminate mankind.
  • The Black Rock is not a reliable example of the fact that the island may have been partially underwater.
    • No you're right, its not; but your point is like saying "the presence of party balloons in this room is no indication that it was John Doe's birthday today, those balloons could be for anything." In other words, I don't think anyone is building their Atlantis arguments around the Black Rock (alone). You're right, though it should be removed from the "Pro" arguments.
    • Atlantis wasn't a city that came FROM underwater, it went TO underwater (sunk). While comment above is true, it is NOT a con to Atlantis evidence; it is analogous to refuting the presence of hominid fossils as evidence of human evolution and saying that "simply because we found a hominid skull in Africa is not reliable evidence that humans evolved from apes in Africa." The answer to this asinine logic is simple, - DUH... no one ever said it was the primary evidence, it is a circumstantial truth that may be explained by the overall theory.

Lemuria

Many fans see Lemuria, which is essentially the same as Mu as a natural candidate for the island.

  • It should be obvious to most open-minded people that the stories of Lemuria, Mu, Atlantis, Aztalan (Mayan myth) most likely point the SAME PLACE, merely different cultures' interpretations of the "land of the Gods" - from which their history and knowledge derive.

Details

  • Lemuria is a 19th century supposition to account for discontinuities in biogeography that were emerging in the fossil record. Lemurs are only observed in Madagascar, but their fossils were turning up as far flung as Pakistan and China. To account for this distribution Philip Sclater, an eminent zoologist, proposed that a continent that had previously connected the land masses had sunk into the sea.
  • Many writers, pseudo-archeologists, psychics and the Tamil people believe Lemuria is an ancient land with a complex and rich social history, which is now lost (much like Atlantis).
  • Lemuria is known as the Atlantis of the Pacific, and it is presumed that the Island is located in the Pacific.
    • aside: location of the island is irrelevant, unless we learn in upcoming episode(s) that it spent a LONG time in the same place.
  • Stone monuments of mysterious origin dot the entire Pacific, from Japan's underwater site at Yonaguni, to cryptic Petroglyphs on Hawaii's Big Island, to Easter Island's Moai
  • Edgar Cayce (March 18, 1877 – January 3, 1945) was an author who claimed his psychic readings affirmed the existence of Atlantis and Lemuria. He wrote that survivors of Atlantis and Lemuria had concealed beneath it a "Hall of Records" containing all the wisdom of their lost civilization and the true history of the human race. Cayce claimed to have prophesied this Hall of Records would be rediscovered and re-opened.
    • Cayce called Lemuria, Zu or Oz
      • There are many Wizard of Oz references in LOST.
    • Cayce maintained that the Lemurians were a psychically advanced Race.
    • The five main themes of Cayce's work are closely related to the events on island, and those of the Hanso Foundation and the Dharma Initiative: (1) Health-Related Information; (2) Philosophy and Reincarnation; (3) Dreams and Dream Interpretation; (4) ESP and Psychic Phenomena; and (5) Spiritual Growth, Meditation, and Prayer.
    • In addition one of his main themes was his belief in The Duality of Man - According to Cayce, Atlantean and Lemurian society was divided into two long-lived political factions - a "good" faction called the "Sons of the Law of One," and an "evil" faction called the "Sons of Belial."
      • Henry Gale claims John Locke is "one of the good ones." This might imply there is a "good" and a "bad" faction on the island.
    • The Island may speak through dreams. There is a relation with Eko's dream, Locke's Dream, Claire's dream and Charlie's dream.
      • Edgar Cayce stated: "God may speak to us through dreams. Dreams may be taken as warnings, as advice, as conditions to be met, conditions to be viewed in a way and manner as lessons, as truths, as they are presented."
  • According to crystalinks.com/lemuria.html [1] Lemurians were thought projections not physically beings.

Pros/ Positives

  • The Castaways are presumed to be in the Pacific, the mythical Location of Lemuria
  • Wizard of Oz References Point to Lemuria
  • In physics the symbol µ represents the magnetic permeability of a material.
    • It should also be noted that µ (or Mu) is the 12th letter of the Greek alphabet. If this isn't a clue then I don't know what is.
    • On a windows based system Typing the numbers (4,8,15,16,23,42) using a side keypad, not the numbers on the top of your keyboard, and holding the alt key you get the symbol µ
  • It is believed by some that the Garden of Eden was located here (Adam and Eve)
  • It is believed that the Lemurians used underground passageways to manuveur around the island

Cons/ Problems

  • Lemuria is the name of a hypothetical "lost land" variously located in the Indian and Pacific Oceans. Its 19th century origins lie in attempts to account for discontinuities in biogeography. But current knowledge of the mechanisms of plate tectonics rules out the possibility of a major continent having existed in the Pacific.
    • Again, just because it has been ruled out in real life doesn't mean that it can't exist in the context of a fictional TV show.
    • Even if a major continent having existed in the Pacific, has been ruled out by plate tectonics. The recent additions of an island moving through time and space would account for discontinuities in biogeography. Like a Polar Bear on a tropical island.
        • Its a T.V show... and plus they have hinted in season 5 finale that the polar bears are the "ridiculous experiments"

Links

  1. Atlantis
  2. Lemuria
  3. Mu


Theories
Theory Policy
v • t • e
Ontological DharmaDreamtimeLast HumansPandora's BoxRaptureSpiritual EvolutionTime Capsule
Psychological Artificial EnvironmentBinary CodeShared HallucinationSocial Experiment
Realist Backwards BackwardsBlack HoleDoomsday Weapon FacadeFall of DHARMAKelvin's DamNaive RealismSaving the WorldValenzetti IslandVile VorticesY2K
Literary BreakthroughsGarden of EdenLost ContinentNoah's ArkThe TempestThe Wizard of Oz
Misc. Themed ConstellationsDHARMA RecruitersSystem CrashGates of Hades
Already Debunked ClonesNanotechnologyPurgatoryTurbine Explosion (Caused by Monster)


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